Ceph

h1. Chat Log - Sessions 1-16

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dmick	I should not be surprised that the Youtube stream is not up yet?	15:00

rturk	Hey folks!  We're going to get started in a minute	15:00

ircolle	w00t!	15:00

loicd	\o	15:00

rturk	Sage is wrestling with Google Hangouts :)	15:00

rturk	Okay, we're live!	15:02

scuttlemonkey	** ======= CDS =======	15:02

scuttlemonkey	** Ceph Developer Summit is now getting underway.	15:02

scuttlemonkey	** For details visit: http://ceph.com/cds	15:02

scuttlemonkey	** All CDS discussion should be directed to #ceph-summit	15:02

scuttlemonkey	** The first On-Air Broadcast can be seen at: http://youtu.be/j0JQvE5uGgs	15:02

scuttlemonkey	** Please direct questions or On-Air participation requests to  scuttlemonkey or rturk	15:02

scuttlemonkey	** ======= CDS =======	15:02

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sagewk	hi everyone!	15:02

rturk	yay!	15:02

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ircolle	I can see you on youtube	15:03

rturk	ircolle: the youtube stream is a minute or two delayed usually	15:03

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dmick	live it is	15:03

rturk	"live"	15:03

strp	I get a HTTP 500 error on the youtube stream :(	15:03

buck	I'm not having any issues (just as a data point, sorry strp:   :/)	15:04

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mikedawson	strp: working for me, too	15:04

rturk	strp: maybe the URL got mangled?	15:04

* loicd getting "incompatible video format", searching	15:05

rturk	hmm	15:05

* rturk goes and gets his spare laptop to test	15:05

* loicd using a galaxy SIII	15:06

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rturk	behlendorf: hi!	15:06

strp	got it working on my tablet, weird	15:07

nhm	behlendorf: hey, glad you made it. :)	15:07

nhm	<- Mark	15:07

ircolle	behlendorf must be here for the ZFS stuff ;-)	15:07

rturk	<- Ross	15:08

behlendorf	Yup, glad to make it.  :)	15:08

ircolle	<- ircolle	15:08

dmick	10 GOTO 10	15:08

nhm	behlendorf: keynote going on now.  Got the youtube video?	15:08

behlendorf	Yup	15:09

ircolle	behlendorf - probably worth adding you to hangout for ZFS session	15:09

rturk	yeah - I'll be checking about 5m before each session starts and doling out hangout URLs	15:10

rturk	I'll make sure behlendorf is in the zfs talk for usre	15:10

behlendorf	rturk: Not sure I can join the hangout sadly.	15:12

rturk	ah, ok	15:13

rturk	we'll make sure all the ppl in the hangout are also watching this chan	15:13

rturk	you can use all caps for urgent points :)	15:13

mikedawson	rturk: Can you add me to the RBD sessions?	15:13

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rturk	yep, I'll send you the URL before that talk	15:14

mikedawson	rturk: thx	15:14

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dmick	"rest" ;)	15:15

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loicd	\o/	15:19

rturk	:)	15:19

loicd	connected exactly at the moment sage says my name :-D	15:19

nhm	loicd: lol	15:19

rturk	** The session "osd: ceph on zfs" starts in about 5 minutes.  If you want to be in the hangout, let me know!	15:24

rturk	If you have questions for Sage, post them here :)	15:25

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rturk	** The session "osd: ceph on zfs" is starting soon!  If you want to be in the hangout, let me know.	15:27

cjh_	how is the rbd fuse client coming along in performance vs the kernel client?	15:28

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* nhm waves	15:29

scuttlemonkey	nhm: joining for zfs?	15:29

nhm	scuttlemonkey: sure	15:30

rturk	Ok - we're starting "osd: ceph on zfs".  If you'd like to be added to the hangout, drop me a line and I'll send you the link	15:30

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nhm	scuttlemonkey: I can be off if there are others that want in	15:30

cjh_	ok thanks sage :)	15:31

scuttlemonkey	only at 7/10	15:31

szaydel	What is the google URL, I am sorry.	15:31

rturk	szaydel: I just PMed it to you	15:31

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szaydel	Thx!	15:31

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rturk	For those of you still arriving, ping me if you want to join the hangout	15:32

scuttlemonkey	if you have notes you would like to add hit the etherpad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/osd-ceph-on-zfs	15:32

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ccourtaut	nice commits graph, good news for ceph!	15:33

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scuttlemonkey	ccourtaut: yeah, Ross has been pulling together a lot of community stats that are quite encouraging	15:34

scuttlemonkey	rturk: we should publish some of the dashboard stuff on the blog	15:35

rturk	yes we should	15:35

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sjustlaptop	rturk: link again?	15:35

behlendorf	Most of the needed zfs interfaces are available in user space as libraries.	15:35

rturk	sjustlaptop: sent via pm	15:36

yanzheng	how do we handle stability issue of zfsonlinux	15:38

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sjustlaptop	good bug reports :)	15:38

ircolle	yanzheng?	15:38

haomaiwa_	ping rturk	15:38

yanzheng	it's rollback feature are very buggy	15:38

rturk	haomaiwa_: I sent the hangout URL to you	15:39

haomaiwa_	Yep	15:39

sjustlaptop	sagewk: you are cutting out	15:39

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behlendorf	yanzheng: It's only online rollback which may still have issues.	15:40

yanzheng	yes, i think so	15:41

yanzheng	i also experienced umount hang	15:41

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sagewk	libzfs on linux?	15:43

sagewk	or ioctls?	15:43

behlendorf	There is an ioctl() interface through libzfs on Linux.	15:43

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behlendorf	All the zfs/zpool utilities link against libzfs so anything you could do with the utils you can do with the library.	15:44

yanzheng	zfsonlinux hang in the kernel	15:44

rturk	yep	15:45

behlendorf	yanzheng: If we can get a good bug report we'll of course want to squash that bug.	15:46

rturk	etherpad for this talk is her: http://pad.ceph.com/p/osd-ceph-on-zfs	15:46

rturk	here	15:46

nwat	certainly as far as the backingfielsystem abstraction, doing that for btrfs and ext4 might make sense for some of the porting stuff...	15:48

erice	sagewk: Willing to do testing and integration work	15:48

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rturk	** The session "osd: Add LevelDB support to ceph cluster backend store" is starting a bit early!  Let rturk or scuttlemonkey know if you want to join the hangout.	15:51

haomaiwa_	Hi, I'm sorry that my network connection is reset by *GFW* every minute!!!! http://pad.ceph.com/p/osd-leveldb-support Everyone can view my points at epad...	15:52

rturk	haomaiwa_: disabling video might help stabilize your audio connection	15:52

scuttlemonkey	haomaiwa_: yikes! Sorry to hear that	15:52

behlendorf	Doing the zfs work should be pretty straight forward and I'm happy to help if people have issues getting it cleanly integrated.	15:52

haomaiwa_	the connction to Google Hangout	15:53

rturk	behlendorf: thanks :)	15:53

rturk	we will keep you up to date	15:53

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sagewk	try disabling video	15:53

mikedawson	mikedawson: +1 for more monitor/leveldb stability!	15:54

scuttlemonkey	Can you say a few word Haomai?	15:54

dalgaaf	sage: then please point out in the release notes that we need a newer version of leveldb so that the distros have an info that they need a new version of leveldb	15:55

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haomaiwa_	Oh, :-(((((	15:58

haomaiwa_	reset again	15:58

haomaiwa_	I'm sorry...	15:58

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rturk	no problem, we'll be here :)	15:58

nhm	Question:  Does a hybrid approach make sense if there are also large objects or lots of objects?	15:59

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haomaiwa_	OH, NO	15:59

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haomaiwa_	It seemed that I can't join .....I'm staleness with the connectin.....	16:00

scuttlemonkey	haomai: can you participate by watching the youtube stream and typing?	16:00

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scuttlemonkey	http://youtu.be/j0JQvE5uGgs	16:01

haomaiwa_	OK, I'm watching youtube stream now and typ8ing	16:01

scuttlemonkey	ok	16:01

nhm	scuttlemonkey: lots of latency	16:01

scuttlemonkey	nhm: yeah	16:01

scuttlemonkey	imperfect to be sure	16:01

* rturk wonders if there's someone he can pay to solve videoconferencing for the next summit.	16:01

jyluke	@rturk: I will be driving work, hopefully be able to join back in time for ceph-deploy	16:01

cephalobot	jyluke: Error: "rturk:" is not a valid command.	16:01

rturk	jyluke: okay	16:02

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rturk	** The session "osd: clone from journal on btrfs" starts soon!  Let rturk or scuttlemonkey know if you want to join the hangout.	16:08

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mikedawson	Could a leveldb backend be used for small writes with a bypass for large writes? Similar to bcache's sequential write bypass.	16:11

haomaiwa_	I think there	16:12

yanzheng	i was hoping we implement mds's backtrace feature this way	16:12

scuttlemonkey	yanzheng: can you elaborate?	16:14

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scuttlemonkey	haomai: would you be willing to own this blueprint going forward? We are here to help via mailing list/irc	16:16

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scuttlemonkey	just want to know someone is driving it forward	16:16

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haomaiwa_	OK	16:16

rturk	** Starting Now	16:17

rturk	Session: osd: clone from journal on btrfs	16:17

rturk	Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/osd%3A_clone_from_journal_on_btrfs	16:17

rturk	Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/osd-btrfs-clone-from-journal	16:17

scuttlemonkey	haomaiwa_: feel free to clean up the notes from the etherpad as they make sense and move them to the blueprint	16:18

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scuttlemonkey	we're encouraging people to use the blueprint as a running notepad of work done.  I'm happy to help if you run into any problems	16:19

haomaiwa_	Got it	16:19

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rturk	** The session "ceph-deploy" starts in 5 minutes!  Let rturk or scuttlemonkey know if you want to join the hangout.	16:25

scuttlemonkey	This will be our last session on this video URL	16:25

scuttlemonkey	we'll post the next streaming URL during the short break between sessions	16:25

davidzlap	So maybe you want  to align and pad so that there isn't fragmentation	16:25

rturk	the ceph-deploy session will be the last, right?	16:26

rturk	not the current one	16:26

alfredodeza	there is a break	16:26

alfredodeza	it is not the last one	16:26

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scuttlemonkey	right, ceph-deploy will be the final	16:26

scuttlemonkey	I should have said "that will be..." not "this will be..."	16:26

scuttlemonkey	#englishfail	16:26

* rturk thinks surely there's someone who has some thoughts to share about ceph-deploy :)	16:27

alfredodeza	:)	16:27

erice	rturk: I would like to join ceph-deploy	16:30

rturk	erice: link sent via pm	16:31

rturk	** The session "ceph-deploy" is starting now!	16:31

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/ceph-deploy	16:31

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout	16:31

Vincent_Valentine	Question ... confused a little, are we cloning the file, writing to it and marking it clean ?	16:31

sagewk	Vincent_Valentine: are you refering to the notes in the pad, or the feature in general?	16:32

Vincent_Valentine	notes ...	16:32

sagewk	we write to a temp file, clone from there both to the journal and do the target file	16:33

sagewk	this is easier than sequencing the journal vs file object writes	16:33

scuttlemonkey	Vincent_Valentine: for reference: http://pad.ceph.com/p/osd-btrfs-clone-from-journal	16:33

Vincent_Valentine	didnt get Tempfile ... why do we need to clone to journal? IMO, Journal doesnt need write data, only entry that clone write is in flight.	16:36

sjustlaptop	sagewk: could even be a property of the bufferlist	16:36

sagewk	it does because of the way the osd handles consistency.  we journal complete transactions that we can roll forward from a known consistency point (snapshot)	16:37

sagewk	if we overwrite files we may not be able to roll forward or backward completely.  posix doesn't let us submit transactions to file systems.	16:37

sagewk	sjustlaptop: yeah, if we can come up with a clean interface	16:38

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sagewk	http://ceph.com/gitbuilder.cgi	16:44

sagewk	http://gitbuilder.ceph.com/	16:44

joelio	will test these tomorrow, glad to hear of the improvements ;)	16:45

joelio	proxy support welcome too	16:47

joelio	for the gpg keys basically..	16:50

joelio	the dpkg stuff is already handled in OS	16:50

scuttlemonkey	joelio: can add that to the proxy support portion on the pad	16:51

scuttlemonkey	at: http://pad.ceph.com/p/ceph-deploy	16:51

joelio	scuttlemonkey: sure thing	16:51

scuttlemonkey	thanks	16:52

mikedawson	-1 for interactive. +1 for warning messages on better options and idempotency	16:54

dalgaaf	support distro/system (or configurable) repos with ceph-deploy	16:55

dalgaaf	not only packages from ceph.com	16:55

dalgaaf	+1 for SUSE	16:59

scuttlemonkey	hehe	17:00

yehudasa	sagewk: originally the ceph conf code (ConfUtils.*) was written so that it would preserve comments, etc.	17:01

ircolle	I would be disappointed if dalgaaf didn't give SUSE a +1 ;-)	17:01

houkouonchi-home	linuxfromscratch? lol joking	17:01

dalgaaf	ircolle: I'm no longer with then, but still using it	17:01

ircolle	dalgaaf - Yes, congrats!	17:02

rturk	** The session "Increasing Ceph portability" starts in just under 15 minutes!	17:02

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout.	17:02

yehudasa	rturk: I would like to join that hangout	17:03

rturk	ok	17:03

* joelio goes to bed	17:03

joelio	be back for session tomorrow	17:03

rturk	cool :)  thanks for participating in our world time experiment	17:03

joelio	no worries, 1am here, sleepy time	17:04

rturk	'night	17:04

houkouonchi-home	time for me to go grab some dinner	17:04

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scuttlemonkey	Next video session will be: http://youtu.be/90sc-vvUCfw	17:06

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rturk	** The session "Increasing Ceph portability" starts in 5 minutes!	17:10

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rturk	** The session "Increasing Ceph portability" is starting now!	17:15

rturk	** Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/Increasing_Ceph_portability	17:15

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/portability	17:15

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout	17:15

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rturk	** The session "Paper cut brainstorm" starts in 5 minutes!	17:40

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout.	17:40

rturk	(paper cuts = small, easily-fixable things that make you mad)	17:40

ircolle	and don't feel like you have to limit your rant to "easily-fixable" - we really want to know what things make you mad in general	17:41

rturk	yeah, they can be axe wounds too	17:44

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rturk	** The session "Paper cut brainstorm" is starting now!	17:49

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/papercuts	17:49

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout	17:49

sagewk	hi dalgaaf!	17:51

dalgaaf	hi	17:51

dalgaaf	I have to sort out my audio ... sorry	17:52

scuttlemonkey	k	17:52

dalgaaf	go on	17:52

rturk	you sound very dubstep now, it's cool	17:52

erice	The 5 minute Quick Start Guide needs to be update to ceph-deploy.  Was very confused when I started with cuttlefish	17:53

Vincent_Valentine	1 suggestion from NOOB perspective ... Getting started with development and debug deployment	17:53

mikedawson	papercut: I've seen several people with issues who are waiting on quotes/sales for Inktank paid support :-)	17:54

ircolle	what exactly do you mean, Vincent_Valentine?	17:55

rturk	erice: can you elaborate?	17:55

rturk	ack, sorry, I meant Vincent_Valentine :)	17:55

scuttlemonkey	mikedawson: if that happens you email community@inktank.com and I get to poke Nigel w/ a hot fork	17:55

dmick	mikedawson: uh, yeah, seems like we could fix that :)	17:55

scuttlemonkey	it's awesome	17:55

rturk	maybe we should upgrade this from paper cuts -> hatchet wounds	17:56

mikedawson	rturk: ha!	17:56

sagewk	any users want to join?	17:57

dmick	ooh, serious pain that maybe fits here better: when ceph-create-keys goes wrong, how to diagnose	17:57

Vincent_Valentine	Some guide on how code is structured may be ... and how to debug/test/unit-tests while developing ... online existing docs are not enough IMO.	17:58

dmick	Vincent_Valentine: ah, ok, so, "a guided tour to the source to help develop"	17:58

Vincent_Valentine	Im not sure .. being new I m finding it lil hard .. but it might be trivial for exisitng contributors	17:59

erice	On the documents, each page should cover what versions of ceph  the document is for.  There are sections in the ceph.conf file that are no longer needed in Cuttlefish	18:00

dalgaaf	to many audio devices	18:00

rturk	technology booooo!	18:00

scuttlemonkey	erice: a fair point, version the doc	18:00

rturk	erice: I totally agree - did you know you can go to, for example, http://ceph.com/docs/bobtail/ ?	18:01

rturk	maybe we can use that mechanism - docs are versioned alongside code	18:01

scuttlemonkey	rturk: maybe just color code them and allow people to walk through/diff the same doc through versions?	18:02

scuttlemonkey	/shrug	18:02

rturk	sure, could work	18:02

yehudasa	dalgaaf: I think you're ok now	18:03

erice	rturl: did not know that.  I would google for an answer, and it would point me to a ceph doc page that may or may not be correct for cuttlefish.  I could not easily tell if that page was valid for the current version of ceph.	18:04

rturk	erice: yeah, we could do a much better job on the interface for that	18:04

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rturk	** The session "rbd: copy-on-read for clones" starts in 5 minutes!	18:10

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout.	18:10

rturk	** The session "rbd: copy-on-read for clones" is starting now!	18:14

rturk	** Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/rbd%3A_copy-on-read_for_clones	18:14

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/rbd-cow-clones	18:14

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout	18:14

dmick	not rbd-cor-clones?  :)	18:15

rturk	ya I realized that just as people were populating the pad	18:16

mikedawson	mic broken	18:19

mikedawson	apparently	18:19

scuttlemonkey	spent too many talks saying "copy-on-write clone" eh rturk? :)	18:19

rturk	scuttlemonkey: busted!	18:19

scuttlemonkey	hehe	18:20

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Vincent_Valentine	Is write to original object allowed when it is cloned ?	18:20

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Vincent_Valentine	especially in multi data-center scenario	18:20

Vincent_Valentine	Thanks ..	18:22

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rturk	** The session "rbd: namespace support" is starting now!	18:28

rturk	** Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/rbd%3A_namespace_support	18:28

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/rbd-namespaces	18:28

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davidzlap	Should default namespace be reserved for client backward compatibility?	18:41

rturk	** The session "rgw: multitenancy" starts in a little less than 5 minutes!	18:41

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rturk	** The session "rgw: multitenancy" is starting now!	18:46

rturk	** Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/rgw%3A_multitenancy	18:46

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/rgw-multitenancy	18:46

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sagewk	dragonfly: hi!	19:07

dragonfly	hi	19:08

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rturk	New video feed: http://youtu.be/SVgBdUv_Lv4	19:11

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rturk	** The session "mds: inline data support" starts in 5 minutes!	19:12

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rturk	** The session "mds: inline data support" is starting now!	19:15

rturk	** Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/mds%3A_Inline_data_support_(Step_2)	19:15

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/mds-inline-data	19:15

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rturk	** The session "cephfs: hole punching" starts in 5 minutes!	19:41

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout.	19:41

* rturk pauses and takes a breath	19:47

rturk	** The session "cephfs: hole punching" is starting now!	19:47

rturk	** Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Dumpling/Fallocate%2F%2FHole_Punching_Support_for_Ceph	19:47

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/cephfs-hole-punching	19:47

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rturk	** The session "cephfs: read-ahead optimization" is starting now!	19:52

rturk	** Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/Kernel_client_read_ahead_optimization	19:52

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/cephfs-read-ahead-optimization	19:52

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout	19:52

rturk	yanzheng: are you watching the youtube live stream?	19:52

rturk	yanzheng: we are starting the readahead optimization talk ahead of schedule	19:52

yanzheng	i'm listening	19:53

rturk	cool :)	19:53

yanzheng	i don't have microphone	19:53

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rturk	** The session "mds: dumpability" is starting now!	20:07

rturk	** Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/mds%3A_dumpability	20:07

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/mds-dumpability	20:07

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout	20:07

scuttlemonkey	FYI, we're going to power through these last couple comparatively quickly	20:08

scuttlemonkey	so if you have any interest in any of the 3 remaining sessions please let rturk know and join the broadcast	20:08

rturk	** The session "mds: reduce memory consumption" is starting now!	20:12

rturk	** Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/mds%3A_dumpability	20:12

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/mds-dumpability	20:12

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout	20:12

rturk	doh!  Sorry - blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/mds%3A_reduce_memory_consumption	20:13

rturk	and pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/mds-memory-consumption	20:13

scuttlemonkey	dalgaaf: just a ping b/c you were listed as interest and we got there really early	20:13

dalgaaf	scuttlemonkey: thx ... the link is still the same?	20:15

scuttlemonkey	yah	20:15

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rturk	** Blueprint: http://wiki.ceph.com/01Planning/02Blueprints/Emperor/rbd%3A_shared_read_cache	20:25

rturk	** Pad: http://pad.ceph.com/p/rbd-shared-read-cache	20:25

rturk	** Please tell rturk or scuttlemonkey if you want to join the hangout	20:25

mikedawson_	scuttlemonkey: can you send me the new link to join?	20:25

scuttlemonkey	Haomaiwa_: just giving you a ping b/c you were listed as interest in the RBD shared read cache	20:26

scuttlemonkey	since we're early	20:26

rturk	mikedawson_: sent via pm, in case scuttlemonkey doens't do it first	20:26

rturk	:)	20:26

mikedawson_	thx	20:26

scuttlemonkey	hehe	20:26

scuttlemonkey	in other news...why am I incapable of typing "interestED"	20:26

scuttlemonkey	/headdesk	20:27

rturk	something to do with a lack of fish in your diet	20:27

scuttlemonkey	hehe	20:27

rturk	did they just turn all the lights off at Inktank HQ?	20:30

scuttlemonkey	lights just auto-died	20:31

rturk	ok, all!  See you in 10 hours.	21:04

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nwat	success!	21:05

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